for action to -- you know, to make the world a better place, to advance clean technology and grown energy, but they are saying let's stop destroying it also, you know. if obama opens up, you know, the arctic to oil drilling, that will be -- you know, that will be a democratic president doing something that reagan didn't even do, so they don't -- don't want the keystone pipeline to be built. that will bring all sorts of tar sands in from canada. what they are saying is before you can save the planet, you have to stop actively destroy it. that probably shouldn't be something that you have to protest for, but, you know, people apparently need a little nudging. >> here's the conflict though that the president is dealing with. environmentalists on one side with regard to the keystone pipeline specifically, and then you have a large number of unions who say, you know who, we need the pipeline, the jobs and the construction so he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. >> sure. i don't think you'd hear the president argue with any with what people are saying. one thing that really struck me dur